Responses to: "Test socket connection"
Lebel, Patrick
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Responses to: "Test socket connection"
Creator:
Lebel, Patrick
Date:
1/14/2015
Text:
Hello all,
Thank you to everyone who responded to my question:
“I’m looking for alternative methods for quick and strong 4-hole connection of test sockets fabricated using thermolyn stiff or similar plastic.
For example: Have any of you had success using a combination of adhesive and fiberglass bandage(scotch cast)? “
Please see the responses below:
* We regularly use velocity plates (evolution industries) and attach them to check sockets with 60 second epoxy (fabtek) then wrap the plate to the socket with fiberglass to be sure it is safe for walking. The velocity plates are great because they are easy and have a grove to tie in the fiberglass. Never had a problem with failure but we will add a second roll of fiberglass on heavier or higher impact patients
* Fabtech epoxy works great. I only use fiberglass wrap if doing a home trial or have a very heavy patient. Also, almost no smell. I don't use it with thermolyn though, so can't comment on that, but I suspect it would work, especially if you sand the surface.
* We use thermolynn stuff with evolutions plates. Rough up the socket and spot bond the plate with fab tech 5 minute epoxy. Once that is set we use fiber glass tape to hold it together. When you rough up the socket, make sure you go high enough for the tape to stick to. If the plastic is thick enough I will also bring diagonal grooves into the distal end and up the side of the epoxy and glass to get a good grip. Never had one fall apart.
* I use scotch cast all the time. Usually I set my plate with siegelhartz or sometimes just zap-a-gap. Then wrap it in scotch cast. I have yet to have a problem. After wrapping with scotch cast you can wrap with electrical tape or similar while it is still wet. Take tape off after it is dry for a smooth finish on the scotch cast tape.
* Quick (25 sec or 60 sec) and STRONG is Fabtech resin.
· Blister form Vivac over a 4 hole adapter, attach & dynamically align, and then glass wrap the distal half of the socket. We do it daily and don't have any problems, and we don't use thermolyn for the simple reason that it's too expensive when compared to the price point of Vivac.
* We use PluSeries Adhesive usually the 60 second version to do our initial bond. Then we further secure the block to the test socket with siegleharz and muffin mix (the shavings from the dust extractors in our grinders which usually includes plastics, carbon dust and wood). We use PETG from NSP from Ortoped. Then I do my clinical stuff with them and wrap with fibreglass casting tape for short-term home trials (2-4 weeks).
* We bond sockets to a 4-hole attachment plate (Bulldog or Bock) using Fabtech epoxy and wrap synthetic casting tape over the plate and socket. After 100s of applications we've never had one fail when done properly.
* I use the fab tech 60 second adhesive that works great you don't need to use fiberglass casting tape. We use Pet-g and northplex for TF Sockets.
* Pull petg over the model like u would for EV, place the 4 hole plate with your fav adhesive, scuff it up and pull the test socket out of whatever u prefer. Boom! Done!
* Fabtech 60 adhesive with fiberglass/synthetic casting over the top. Make sure you rough up your plastic...I like to put pretty aggressive grooves into the distal third of the socket where I am going to wrap the casting material.
* We use Pluseries glue, ruff up bottom of socket apply glue and see how strong it is.
* We've been using evolution industry plates with fabtec adhesive and parker cast tape. Make sure socket is roughened prior to bonding plate and applying fiberglas bandage
· We use a bulldog endoskeletal plte with fourhole connector attachment we adhere it with Fab tech 60 sl epoxy. We rough the distal end of the socket to adhere the epoxy. Then we reinforce with fiberglass cast. We never really have any issues unless the epoxy does not fully mix or if the thermolynn is oily
* We have successfully used FabTech adhesive without fiberglass (Deltalite cast tape) in the bars or walker If patient is taking for a trial, Deltalite is added.
* I'd recommend a 'double barrel' 2-part epoxy cartridge (like either Evo-Bond from Evolution or Fab-Tech from MOT) to bond the socket to the plate (scuff both surfaces before applying the epoxy) Once the epoxy is set, wrap with scotch cast and you should be ready for dynamic assessment.
* Drape mold copoly
Patrick Lebel, BSc., C.P.O (c)
Certified Prosthetist /Orthotist
The Ottawa Hospital Rehabilitation Centre
Prosthetics & Orthotics
Prothésiste/orthésiste certifié
Le centre de réadaptation de l’Hôpital d’Ottawa
Prothétique et orthétique
505 Smyth Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1H 8M2
T (613)737-7350- ext.75314
E <Email Address Redacted>
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From: Lebel, Patrick
Sent: January 13, 2015 11:18
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: Test socket connection
Hello all,
I’m looking for alternative methods for quick and strong 4-hole connection of test sockets fabricated using thermolyn stiff or similar plastic.
For example: Have any of you had success using a combination of adhesive and fiberglass bandage(scotch cast)? If so, please share your methods.
Thanks!
Patrick Lebel, BSc., C.P.O (c)
Certified Prosthetist /Orthotist
The Ottawa Hospital Rehabilitation Centre
Prosthetics & Orthotics
Prothésiste/orthésiste certifié
Le centre de réadaptation de l’Hôpital d’Ottawa
Prothétique et orthétique
505 Smyth Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1H 8M2
T (613)737-7350- ext.75314
E <Email Address Redacted>
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Thank you to everyone who responded to my question:
“I’m looking for alternative methods for quick and strong 4-hole connection of test sockets fabricated using thermolyn stiff or similar plastic.
For example: Have any of you had success using a combination of adhesive and fiberglass bandage(scotch cast)? “
Please see the responses below:
* We regularly use velocity plates (evolution industries) and attach them to check sockets with 60 second epoxy (fabtek) then wrap the plate to the socket with fiberglass to be sure it is safe for walking. The velocity plates are great because they are easy and have a grove to tie in the fiberglass. Never had a problem with failure but we will add a second roll of fiberglass on heavier or higher impact patients
* Fabtech epoxy works great. I only use fiberglass wrap if doing a home trial or have a very heavy patient. Also, almost no smell. I don't use it with thermolyn though, so can't comment on that, but I suspect it would work, especially if you sand the surface.
* We use thermolynn stuff with evolutions plates. Rough up the socket and spot bond the plate with fab tech 5 minute epoxy. Once that is set we use fiber glass tape to hold it together. When you rough up the socket, make sure you go high enough for the tape to stick to. If the plastic is thick enough I will also bring diagonal grooves into the distal end and up the side of the epoxy and glass to get a good grip. Never had one fall apart.
* I use scotch cast all the time. Usually I set my plate with siegelhartz or sometimes just zap-a-gap. Then wrap it in scotch cast. I have yet to have a problem. After wrapping with scotch cast you can wrap with electrical tape or similar while it is still wet. Take tape off after it is dry for a smooth finish on the scotch cast tape.
* Quick (25 sec or 60 sec) and STRONG is Fabtech resin.
· Blister form Vivac over a 4 hole adapter, attach & dynamically align, and then glass wrap the distal half of the socket. We do it daily and don't have any problems, and we don't use thermolyn for the simple reason that it's too expensive when compared to the price point of Vivac.
* We use PluSeries Adhesive usually the 60 second version to do our initial bond. Then we further secure the block to the test socket with siegleharz and muffin mix (the shavings from the dust extractors in our grinders which usually includes plastics, carbon dust and wood). We use PETG from NSP from Ortoped. Then I do my clinical stuff with them and wrap with fibreglass casting tape for short-term home trials (2-4 weeks).
* We bond sockets to a 4-hole attachment plate (Bulldog or Bock) using Fabtech epoxy and wrap synthetic casting tape over the plate and socket. After 100s of applications we've never had one fail when done properly.
* I use the fab tech 60 second adhesive that works great you don't need to use fiberglass casting tape. We use Pet-g and northplex for TF Sockets.
* Pull petg over the model like u would for EV, place the 4 hole plate with your fav adhesive, scuff it up and pull the test socket out of whatever u prefer. Boom! Done!
* Fabtech 60 adhesive with fiberglass/synthetic casting over the top. Make sure you rough up your plastic...I like to put pretty aggressive grooves into the distal third of the socket where I am going to wrap the casting material.
* We use Pluseries glue, ruff up bottom of socket apply glue and see how strong it is.
* We've been using evolution industry plates with fabtec adhesive and parker cast tape. Make sure socket is roughened prior to bonding plate and applying fiberglas bandage
· We use a bulldog endoskeletal plte with fourhole connector attachment we adhere it with Fab tech 60 sl epoxy. We rough the distal end of the socket to adhere the epoxy. Then we reinforce with fiberglass cast. We never really have any issues unless the epoxy does not fully mix or if the thermolynn is oily
* We have successfully used FabTech adhesive without fiberglass (Deltalite cast tape) in the bars or walker If patient is taking for a trial, Deltalite is added.
* I'd recommend a 'double barrel' 2-part epoxy cartridge (like either Evo-Bond from Evolution or Fab-Tech from MOT) to bond the socket to the plate (scuff both surfaces before applying the epoxy) Once the epoxy is set, wrap with scotch cast and you should be ready for dynamic assessment.
* Drape mold copoly
Patrick Lebel, BSc., C.P.O (c)
Certified Prosthetist /Orthotist
The Ottawa Hospital Rehabilitation Centre
Prosthetics & Orthotics
Prothésiste/orthésiste certifié
Le centre de réadaptation de l’Hôpital d’Ottawa
Prothétique et orthétique
505 Smyth Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1H 8M2
T (613)737-7350- ext.75314
E <Email Address Redacted>
________________________________
From: Lebel, Patrick
Sent: January 13, 2015 11:18
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: Test socket connection
Hello all,
I’m looking for alternative methods for quick and strong 4-hole connection of test sockets fabricated using thermolyn stiff or similar plastic.
For example: Have any of you had success using a combination of adhesive and fiberglass bandage(scotch cast)? If so, please share your methods.
Thanks!
Patrick Lebel, BSc., C.P.O (c)
Certified Prosthetist /Orthotist
The Ottawa Hospital Rehabilitation Centre
Prosthetics & Orthotics
Prothésiste/orthésiste certifié
Le centre de réadaptation de l’Hôpital d’Ottawa
Prothétique et orthétique
505 Smyth Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1H 8M2
T (613)737-7350- ext.75314
E <Email Address Redacted>
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Citation
Lebel, Patrick, “Responses to: "Test socket connection",” Digital Resource Foundation for Orthotics and Prosthetics, accessed November 1, 2024, https://library.drfop.org/items/show/237039.
