Re: To our friends across the seas re: Good manners and boring folk to death

Re: To our friends across the seas re: Good manners and boring folk to death

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3/19/1999

Tony, Tony, Tony.

Thankyou for your rapid reply.
I acknowledge the enormous U.S. contribution to the professions. I regularly
use U.S. technology and components and I depend heavily upon this list and
help from my friends overseas for advice - that is not what I am irritated
about. I get my knickers in a twist when hear people from other places
insisting that what they do with their politics will determine the future
for all of us in the profession. U.S. politics is not the whole world.
Certainly, it will be better for the profession globally if you guys get it
sorted in your corner, but don't make the assumption that you must do this
because the American corner leads the world please....our patients and our
prosthetists/orthotists face the same day-day, functional problems as yours
and we must deal with them regardless of what you guys do with your
politics. These things are pertinent regardless of creed, country, colour or
wealth. All I ask is that I am warned in the subject of the mail that the
subjects following deal principally with the issue of politics which will
probably have very little to do with me. I have commented upon one or two of
the issues presented to date and appreciate the opportunity to do that but I
do not expect to have any bearing on the outcome: that is for you people to
do. kind regards, Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Barr < <Email Address Redacted> >
To: <Email Address Redacted> <>
Date: Thursday, 18 March 1999 17:22
Subject: To our friends across the seas re: Good manners and boring folk to
death


>Should I conclude there was a point to your message !Other than your
indifference to a profession and industry that cares enough about
developing dialoge between O&P professionals ,your rudeness speaks with all
the misconceptions of a third world country! And to think that cad cam
technology was first developed in England!The consumer and the practitioner,
still relies on U.S advancements in technology and professional expertise
here! We are attempting to make it a better world for the physically
impaired.Perhaps our foriegn friends could provide some input on how O&P
care works in the UK and other countries.We are very receptive to learning
of how your health care system and O&P policies function to benefit the
profession and the consumer.We can all learn something from one another.
>Get a grip .Try to help someone today in any way you can,and if can't do it
alone ,we will be there for you ...again!
>
>----------
>Well said Grant Crosthwaite! Hear hear! Please, our American counterparts,
>please put US Politics in the Subject so that those of us who don't think
>that we need to be involved can avoid/delete that mail.
>I have read a lot of it, but at times it seems to get just a tad petty and
>repetitive and I seem to be reading a lot of rehashed history.
>I value the need for debate...it is essential in a democratic group so I
>would defend to the death your right to it....but please do not assume
>that your outcomes are vital for the P&O professions elsewhere in the
world.
>Thankyou for the opportunity to voice my opinion.
>Richard Ziegeler
>
> <Email Address Redacted>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Grant Crosthwaite < <Email Address Redacted> >
>To: <Email Address Redacted> < <Email Address Redacted> >
>Date: Thursday, 18 March 1999 12:10
>Subject: Good manners and boring folk to death
>
>
>>Dear Americans,
>>
>>What a self absorbed bunch you have demonstrated yourselves to be. You
>>bore the non-Americans on the list rigid and when we dare to mention how
>>tedious we find your introspection we get told to get off the list. I
>>have written to some of you individually asking for you to observe
>>netiquette and use tags in the subject line. This would allow those of us
>>who fail to find the minutia of the US Political structures for O&P
>>fascinating, to eradicate the relevant (or should that be irrelevant)
>>messages. What responses have I had? Almost without exception those who
>>responded assured me that your consolidation was of vital importance to
>>everyone in the world not just those in the USA. This is not so!!
>>
>>Ask yourselves this: if this is so important why is no-one contributing
>>to the discussion from outside the USA? It is because nobody else cares.
>>This is not because those outside are myopic and are heading for disaster
>>because they are not getting involved. It is because it does not matter
>>to us and we prefer that you settle your own provincial problems by
>>yourselves without involving the rest of us.
>>
>>Ask yourselves also whether you would welcome involvement/comment from
>>those of us outside the USA. I think not. Just as I would be surprised if
>>anyone practising in the States had anything useful to contribute to a
>>similar discussion on reorganising Prosthetic/Orthotic care in the UK. If
>>then you would not welcome any contribution from the rest of us why
>>then is it so imperative that we should have to listen ad nauseum to the
>>debate?
>>
>>I am glad the listmom has finally intervened (cheers Paul) and hope that
>>we can expect a little courtesy in the future.
>>
>>Thank you for listening,
>>
>>Grant Crosthwaite
>>
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