Re: Prosthetics & Orthotics List Serve OpEd
Jim DeWees
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Re: Prosthetics & Orthotics List Serve OpEd
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Jim DeWees
Date:
10/19/2006
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Wow, what a post.
I would like to ask if any practitioners or any other health care
professionals can verify and doctor named J. Davis in Denver or the
surrounding areas.
First off, I went to Doctor.com, and it is a bogus page, where this supposed
email address came from.
Secondly, I went online, did a google search for this name, nothing came up.
Switchboard.com gave nothing either. There are NO orthopedic surgeons
that I can find anywhere in the Denver area with that name. I even went to
the website for Colorado, checking all Davis' and there are none in that
area specializing in ortho.
I even called 411 on my verizon phone, asking for that name and for
orthopedic clinics and groups...guess what? NOTHING there either, and they
can usually find about anything there.
So, this is very ironic, this is the kind of bogus email that SHOULD have
been screened by the moderator and NOT posted.
Who is this coward that will post an email criticizing everyone that has
posted comments, with their real names, real identities, and everything
else? Who is really behind this email?
I am going to check with a friend that is into computer security issues,
knows how to track ISP and other information about where these emails
originate from. If anyone else has access to anyone that can track this
down, it would be interesting to see where it came from.
Personally, I have not seen anyone that is blatantly promoting products for
gain or for any reason of that nature. But, wouldn't this seem like a
perfect place to ask questions about if products are good or not, or to
share experiences with products, services, or whatever that we have been
happy with, or have hd horrible times with? Or, should we all just have to
do the trial and error method on our own, re-invent the wheel, and not talk
to anyone about anything, because it might be seen by someone as to be
promoting or degrading something...but yet they hide behind an email address
at DOCTOR.com
Also, this should be a place where we can openly talk about issues,
political, or otherwise, which does or can affect this profession.
This email sounds like it was written by someone that is wanting to stick up
for some organization that has been openly attacked or openly criticized
recently, but yet will not use a name that can be authenticated.
If anyone can verify who this person is, and vouch that he/she exists, then
I apologize for this email. But, the point that we should be free to
discuss whatever we feel is important to the profession, I stand by that.
Also, this email would make it sound as if doctors never criticize other
doctors, or air their dirty laundry about other associates in their field.
How many times have WE as prosthetists heard some surgeon totally trash
another one. And, with all due respect, a lot of the time they have good
reason to trash the other doctor. How many times have we seen an amputee
have to go back into surgery for a revision or reconstruction due to a
poorly done amputation? How many amputees have we had in our offices as a
result of some poorly done medical procedure, and have had another doctor
just come right out and say, the other doctor screwed up?
How many doctors sit on malpractice review boards, attacking their
colleagues and their associates and go on the witness stand testifying
against their brother?
I don't think we, in this field, have even gotten close to the corruption
and trash talking level that the MDs have gotten to. Again, some of the
trash talking is necessary to protect the patients, and some of the legal
actions are also necessary to protect the patients.
The discussion on the Linkia deal, which is what really seems to be the
drive behind the email, is very much appropriate, and everyone needs to
realize the impact this has on the patients, being that their right to
choose their provider has been stolen away, by some corporation that is more
interested in stock prices and profits than they are in patient care.
Also, something new came up yesterday when I read that Palmetto GBA lost the
contract for doing the administration for CMS in a few regions. The NEW
contracted party is none other than Cigna. How is this going to pan out
here? Will this mean that now all claims and benefits for Medicare
recipients are going to have to go through Cigna for service, and if so,
will only those providers that are in the Cigna network the ONLY providers
that will be allowed to treat the medicare patients??? If that is the case,
and Linkia is the administrator for Cigna, there are only Hanger facilities
in the Linkia network, and so do the math, or use your simple reasoning
skills.....
Maybe the competitive bidding deal for medicare won't even matter, we might
not even have that chance to bid, because if we are NOT a Hanger facility,
we cannot be in the Linkia network, and we cannot be a Cigna provider, and
if Cigna is over the Medicare benefits, then you can figure it all out.
Any ideas on this? Anyone have any clarity or understand what is going on?
If so, please let me know and educate me here.
Again, if you, J. Davis MD are a real surgeon in Denver, then I offer you my
apologies for not being able to find you. But, I think you have enough
problems in your own world to get fixed before trying to attack ours.
Jim DeWees, CP
>From: j davis < <Email Address Redacted> >
>Reply-To: j davis < <Email Address Redacted> >
>To: <Email Address Redacted>
>Subject: [OANDP-L] Prosthetics & Orthotics List Serve OpEd
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:32:04 -0500
>
>I was asked by a practitioner that attends one of my ortho clinics to
>provide my opinion on discussions and postings on this industry supported
>list serve. I have been forwarded messages from this site for the past
>few weeks. After providing my opinion to this practitioner, he asked if I
>would forward my comments directly to this message board. I am on call
>tonight with some time to spare, so I will share my observations as
>requested, brief and to the point.
>
>According to the web site, �The forum has been endorsed by the
>International Society for Prosthetics and Orthotics (ISPO) and the
>American Academy of Orthotists and Prosthetists (AAOP).� If this is in
>fact true, than I have grave concerns and trepidation for this industry
>if this represents the professionalism and integrity of the industry and
>science of prosthetics and orthotics. It is my interpretation as I read
>many postings that they are nothing more than abusive rhetoric with the
>sole purpose to attack various groups and organizations, I find it
>disturbing that a national and international organization would endorse
>such behavior.
>
>This site declares it is moderated, but it appears that the moderator is
>prone to promoting a particular one sided agenda and is making little
>effort to screen or moderate or mediate the postings. Majority of
>postings are long detailed berating sermons to demonize one company or
>group. What is most disturbing is that there are no facts or validation
>to confirm any of the postings; it is all opinion and conjecture. I
>suggest that this is not the stuff that a professional organization is
>made of.
>
>The site also declares that �The forum is NOT intended for commercial
>advertising�, yet a majority of the postings are blatant advertising for
>various companies and groups to promote their agendas, association,
>contracting and/or purchasing groups. There appear to be numerous self
>serving agendas being promoted which is again, not the stuff that defines
>a professional orgainzation.
>
>What is most surprising of all however is that this site allows
>unfettered access for patient�s to attack and criticize fellow
>practitioners within the prosthetic and orthotic industry. This is
>appalling behavior and an embarrassing way for supposed professionals to
>treat one another.
>
>To summarize, the e-mails I have reviewed from this site are distressing
>and disappointing. If this industry endorsed site represents the quality
>and caliber of the professionalism of this industry nationwide, than this
>industry is in dire straights and in for a very rude awakening as the
>health care industry changes and grows.
>
>As a group you may want to ask yourselves the reason that the prosthetic
>and orthotic industry is being encroached by other allied health
>professionals and being pressured by government agencies and the
>insurance industry. Perhaps it is a reflection on the way you treat each
>other within your own industry, if you do not treat each other within
>your own industry with respect and dignity, how can you possibly expect
>those outside the industry to do the same. I thank you for the
>opportunity to share my insights and opinions.
>
>J. Davis, MD
>
>Orthopedic Surgeon
>
>Denver, Colorado
>
>--
>
>Search for products and services at:
> <URL Redacted>
>
>
>
I would like to ask if any practitioners or any other health care
professionals can verify and doctor named J. Davis in Denver or the
surrounding areas.
First off, I went to Doctor.com, and it is a bogus page, where this supposed
email address came from.
Secondly, I went online, did a google search for this name, nothing came up.
Switchboard.com gave nothing either. There are NO orthopedic surgeons
that I can find anywhere in the Denver area with that name. I even went to
the website for Colorado, checking all Davis' and there are none in that
area specializing in ortho.
I even called 411 on my verizon phone, asking for that name and for
orthopedic clinics and groups...guess what? NOTHING there either, and they
can usually find about anything there.
So, this is very ironic, this is the kind of bogus email that SHOULD have
been screened by the moderator and NOT posted.
Who is this coward that will post an email criticizing everyone that has
posted comments, with their real names, real identities, and everything
else? Who is really behind this email?
I am going to check with a friend that is into computer security issues,
knows how to track ISP and other information about where these emails
originate from. If anyone else has access to anyone that can track this
down, it would be interesting to see where it came from.
Personally, I have not seen anyone that is blatantly promoting products for
gain or for any reason of that nature. But, wouldn't this seem like a
perfect place to ask questions about if products are good or not, or to
share experiences with products, services, or whatever that we have been
happy with, or have hd horrible times with? Or, should we all just have to
do the trial and error method on our own, re-invent the wheel, and not talk
to anyone about anything, because it might be seen by someone as to be
promoting or degrading something...but yet they hide behind an email address
at DOCTOR.com
Also, this should be a place where we can openly talk about issues,
political, or otherwise, which does or can affect this profession.
This email sounds like it was written by someone that is wanting to stick up
for some organization that has been openly attacked or openly criticized
recently, but yet will not use a name that can be authenticated.
If anyone can verify who this person is, and vouch that he/she exists, then
I apologize for this email. But, the point that we should be free to
discuss whatever we feel is important to the profession, I stand by that.
Also, this email would make it sound as if doctors never criticize other
doctors, or air their dirty laundry about other associates in their field.
How many times have WE as prosthetists heard some surgeon totally trash
another one. And, with all due respect, a lot of the time they have good
reason to trash the other doctor. How many times have we seen an amputee
have to go back into surgery for a revision or reconstruction due to a
poorly done amputation? How many amputees have we had in our offices as a
result of some poorly done medical procedure, and have had another doctor
just come right out and say, the other doctor screwed up?
How many doctors sit on malpractice review boards, attacking their
colleagues and their associates and go on the witness stand testifying
against their brother?
I don't think we, in this field, have even gotten close to the corruption
and trash talking level that the MDs have gotten to. Again, some of the
trash talking is necessary to protect the patients, and some of the legal
actions are also necessary to protect the patients.
The discussion on the Linkia deal, which is what really seems to be the
drive behind the email, is very much appropriate, and everyone needs to
realize the impact this has on the patients, being that their right to
choose their provider has been stolen away, by some corporation that is more
interested in stock prices and profits than they are in patient care.
Also, something new came up yesterday when I read that Palmetto GBA lost the
contract for doing the administration for CMS in a few regions. The NEW
contracted party is none other than Cigna. How is this going to pan out
here? Will this mean that now all claims and benefits for Medicare
recipients are going to have to go through Cigna for service, and if so,
will only those providers that are in the Cigna network the ONLY providers
that will be allowed to treat the medicare patients??? If that is the case,
and Linkia is the administrator for Cigna, there are only Hanger facilities
in the Linkia network, and so do the math, or use your simple reasoning
skills.....
Maybe the competitive bidding deal for medicare won't even matter, we might
not even have that chance to bid, because if we are NOT a Hanger facility,
we cannot be in the Linkia network, and we cannot be a Cigna provider, and
if Cigna is over the Medicare benefits, then you can figure it all out.
Any ideas on this? Anyone have any clarity or understand what is going on?
If so, please let me know and educate me here.
Again, if you, J. Davis MD are a real surgeon in Denver, then I offer you my
apologies for not being able to find you. But, I think you have enough
problems in your own world to get fixed before trying to attack ours.
Jim DeWees, CP
>From: j davis < <Email Address Redacted> >
>Reply-To: j davis < <Email Address Redacted> >
>To: <Email Address Redacted>
>Subject: [OANDP-L] Prosthetics & Orthotics List Serve OpEd
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:32:04 -0500
>
>I was asked by a practitioner that attends one of my ortho clinics to
>provide my opinion on discussions and postings on this industry supported
>list serve. I have been forwarded messages from this site for the past
>few weeks. After providing my opinion to this practitioner, he asked if I
>would forward my comments directly to this message board. I am on call
>tonight with some time to spare, so I will share my observations as
>requested, brief and to the point.
>
>According to the web site, �The forum has been endorsed by the
>International Society for Prosthetics and Orthotics (ISPO) and the
>American Academy of Orthotists and Prosthetists (AAOP).� If this is in
>fact true, than I have grave concerns and trepidation for this industry
>if this represents the professionalism and integrity of the industry and
>science of prosthetics and orthotics. It is my interpretation as I read
>many postings that they are nothing more than abusive rhetoric with the
>sole purpose to attack various groups and organizations, I find it
>disturbing that a national and international organization would endorse
>such behavior.
>
>This site declares it is moderated, but it appears that the moderator is
>prone to promoting a particular one sided agenda and is making little
>effort to screen or moderate or mediate the postings. Majority of
>postings are long detailed berating sermons to demonize one company or
>group. What is most disturbing is that there are no facts or validation
>to confirm any of the postings; it is all opinion and conjecture. I
>suggest that this is not the stuff that a professional organization is
>made of.
>
>The site also declares that �The forum is NOT intended for commercial
>advertising�, yet a majority of the postings are blatant advertising for
>various companies and groups to promote their agendas, association,
>contracting and/or purchasing groups. There appear to be numerous self
>serving agendas being promoted which is again, not the stuff that defines
>a professional orgainzation.
>
>What is most surprising of all however is that this site allows
>unfettered access for patient�s to attack and criticize fellow
>practitioners within the prosthetic and orthotic industry. This is
>appalling behavior and an embarrassing way for supposed professionals to
>treat one another.
>
>To summarize, the e-mails I have reviewed from this site are distressing
>and disappointing. If this industry endorsed site represents the quality
>and caliber of the professionalism of this industry nationwide, than this
>industry is in dire straights and in for a very rude awakening as the
>health care industry changes and grows.
>
>As a group you may want to ask yourselves the reason that the prosthetic
>and orthotic industry is being encroached by other allied health
>professionals and being pressured by government agencies and the
>insurance industry. Perhaps it is a reflection on the way you treat each
>other within your own industry, if you do not treat each other within
>your own industry with respect and dignity, how can you possibly expect
>those outside the industry to do the same. I thank you for the
>opportunity to share my insights and opinions.
>
>J. Davis, MD
>
>Orthopedic Surgeon
>
>Denver, Colorado
>
>--
>
>Search for products and services at:
> <URL Redacted>
>
>
>
Citation
Jim DeWees, “Re: Prosthetics & Orthotics List Serve OpEd,” Digital Resource Foundation for Orthotics and Prosthetics, accessed November 24, 2024, https://library.drfop.org/items/show/227511.
