Re: Bypassing Orthotists
Joyce Perrone
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Title:
Re: Bypassing Orthotists
Creator:
Joyce Perrone
Date:
2/9/2006
Text:
I may not have been very clear and assumed we all have the desire to
elevate our profession for all the reasons RON has stated.
But, if you are a private company and have a serious responsibility to
make a profit to keep people employed, then it really is an issue to
make the licensure WORK for our industry. We are not a NOT-FOR-PROFIT
organization-- although many carriers think we are.
If you all are reading about the budget cuts to MEDICARE and MEDICAID
and don't think this is going to have a negative impact - then you are
missing the point. We have to do everything we can now to secure the
future of this industry.
Yes, from an ACADEMIC level licensure resonates with me as the *right
thing to do*, but I've been in healthcare for a long time and worked in
many industries and trust me, if there is no profit because you didn't
compete right, you lost business to the others for whatever reason - you
can sit back and have all the credentials you want and watch the other
guys literally eat your lunch and that of all your fine employees. As
it was stated about Licensure being about
Practitioner qualifications, accountability, protection of the patient
from untrained or inadequately trained individuals and or unscrupulous
individuals is exactly what the CO or CP or ABC accreditation is
already supposed to do. Unless we can get carriers to realize that, and
I know that there are precious few that GET IT - we are failing at
getting the word out. I have yet to see that Licensure is driving that
point home any further than when I brag about our company having
Certified practitioners, totally OSHA compliant facilities and ABC
facility accreditation. The conversations always end with how much ??
and they instantly go to the LOWEST bidder BECAUSE CP, CO, CPO CPED, BOC
ABC has YET to get recognized to the level it SHOULD be recognized. . I
understand that if a person is not licensed you can REPORT them. But to
whom? If we can get licensure to have the status in MEDICARE's eyes,
that a lost or lacking of licensure means you don't have a MEDICARE ID -
then we are talking power.
Joyce J Perrone
De La Torre O&P, Inc & PROMISE Consulting
300 Alpha Drive Pgh PA 15238
412-599-1112
-----Original Message-----
From: Gingras, Ron [mailto:<Email Address Redacted>]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:36 AM
To: Joyce Perrone
Cc: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: RE: [OANDP-L] Bypassing Orthotists
As long as you look at licensure as a way to get reinbursement and to
exclude others for financial reasons you have looked passed the most
valid reasons for having it. Practitioner qualifications, accountability
, protection of the patient from untrained or inadequately trained
individuals and or unscrupulous individuals. Licensure is first about
the patient but from reading your email , it is obvious you think it is
primarily about something else $$$$$$ .To me that makes you the same as
the others you are criticizing. You first have to get the benefits of
licensure strait in your own mind, you do it for the right reasons and
then the rest will eventually shake down.It is not about the money
first.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Orthotics and Prosthetics List [mailto:<Email Address Redacted>] On
Behalf Of Joyce Perrone
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:56 AM
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: [OANDP-L] Bypassing Orthotists
EBI, Donjoy, Marquis -- all have put items on patients using
non-certified orthotists. This has been going on for a very long time.
And not just low-level devices (stock and bill) but more complex items,
as well. Donjoy in Pittsburgh has been great with working together with
the orthotist community, but I've not seen as great an effort
Nationally. As long as they can bill Medicare, and every other provider
out there, I'm sure they will do this. My question to the group - WILL
LICENSURE HELP THIS??? For those of you in states that have licensure -
has it helped you and HOW has it helped?? I think it is important for
everyone to have a clear understanding of this and if it is of help,
then to get on the bandwagon and pay to get licensure in your state. We
do not have it yet - and I am curious as what those of you with it have
experienced.
Joyce J Perrone
De La Torre O&P, Inc & PROMISE Consulting 300 Alpha Drive Pgh PA 15238
412-599-1112
elevate our profession for all the reasons RON has stated.
But, if you are a private company and have a serious responsibility to
make a profit to keep people employed, then it really is an issue to
make the licensure WORK for our industry. We are not a NOT-FOR-PROFIT
organization-- although many carriers think we are.
If you all are reading about the budget cuts to MEDICARE and MEDICAID
and don't think this is going to have a negative impact - then you are
missing the point. We have to do everything we can now to secure the
future of this industry.
Yes, from an ACADEMIC level licensure resonates with me as the *right
thing to do*, but I've been in healthcare for a long time and worked in
many industries and trust me, if there is no profit because you didn't
compete right, you lost business to the others for whatever reason - you
can sit back and have all the credentials you want and watch the other
guys literally eat your lunch and that of all your fine employees. As
it was stated about Licensure being about
Practitioner qualifications, accountability, protection of the patient
from untrained or inadequately trained individuals and or unscrupulous
individuals is exactly what the CO or CP or ABC accreditation is
already supposed to do. Unless we can get carriers to realize that, and
I know that there are precious few that GET IT - we are failing at
getting the word out. I have yet to see that Licensure is driving that
point home any further than when I brag about our company having
Certified practitioners, totally OSHA compliant facilities and ABC
facility accreditation. The conversations always end with how much ??
and they instantly go to the LOWEST bidder BECAUSE CP, CO, CPO CPED, BOC
ABC has YET to get recognized to the level it SHOULD be recognized. . I
understand that if a person is not licensed you can REPORT them. But to
whom? If we can get licensure to have the status in MEDICARE's eyes,
that a lost or lacking of licensure means you don't have a MEDICARE ID -
then we are talking power.
Joyce J Perrone
De La Torre O&P, Inc & PROMISE Consulting
300 Alpha Drive Pgh PA 15238
412-599-1112
-----Original Message-----
From: Gingras, Ron [mailto:<Email Address Redacted>]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:36 AM
To: Joyce Perrone
Cc: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: RE: [OANDP-L] Bypassing Orthotists
As long as you look at licensure as a way to get reinbursement and to
exclude others for financial reasons you have looked passed the most
valid reasons for having it. Practitioner qualifications, accountability
, protection of the patient from untrained or inadequately trained
individuals and or unscrupulous individuals. Licensure is first about
the patient but from reading your email , it is obvious you think it is
primarily about something else $$$$$$ .To me that makes you the same as
the others you are criticizing. You first have to get the benefits of
licensure strait in your own mind, you do it for the right reasons and
then the rest will eventually shake down.It is not about the money
first.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Orthotics and Prosthetics List [mailto:<Email Address Redacted>] On
Behalf Of Joyce Perrone
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:56 AM
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: [OANDP-L] Bypassing Orthotists
EBI, Donjoy, Marquis -- all have put items on patients using
non-certified orthotists. This has been going on for a very long time.
And not just low-level devices (stock and bill) but more complex items,
as well. Donjoy in Pittsburgh has been great with working together with
the orthotist community, but I've not seen as great an effort
Nationally. As long as they can bill Medicare, and every other provider
out there, I'm sure they will do this. My question to the group - WILL
LICENSURE HELP THIS??? For those of you in states that have licensure -
has it helped you and HOW has it helped?? I think it is important for
everyone to have a clear understanding of this and if it is of help,
then to get on the bandwagon and pay to get licensure in your state. We
do not have it yet - and I am curious as what those of you with it have
experienced.
Joyce J Perrone
De La Torre O&P, Inc & PROMISE Consulting 300 Alpha Drive Pgh PA 15238
412-599-1112
Citation
Joyce Perrone, “Re: Bypassing Orthotists,” Digital Resource Foundation for Orthotics and Prosthetics, accessed November 5, 2024, https://library.drfop.org/items/show/226145.
