Re: Federal Legislation
Karen Steele
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Title:
Re: Federal Legislation
Creator:
Karen Steele
Date:
12/9/2000
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The plaque on the wall is meaningless if a person doesn't have a life-long
curiosity that drives him/her to educate themself about a particular
subject. A person also needs a desire to do a good job, regardless of
whether the work is big or small. I've seen ABC practitioners with about as
much drive as a snail in winter, and I've met BOC practitioners who really
want to learn and do a good job, but because of circumstances beyond their
control (family, financial, etc) they cannot take off in order to gain ABC
certificaion, but they can practice the profession that they love becaue of
BOC certification.
I'd choose to be treated by a BOC practitioner who really cares and wants to
learn over an ABC orthotist who is more concerned about credentials any day.
Credentials and certification are important, but they should not be O&P's
primary focus. O&Pers should be concentrating on treating every patient
that walks in like it was their grandfather or grandmother. Credentials
and certification can be very, very good or very, very bad.
Just my two cents on this debate.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Jerry Levitt < <Email Address Redacted> >
Reply-To: <Email Address Redacted>
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: Re: [OANDP-L] Federal Legislation
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:48:10 -0500
Ms. Marcel
Your remarks are as vacuous as your apparent knowledge of Texas Law. If
you are a practitioner I certainly hope you are well supervised.
ABC should not, nor should anyone in their wildest hallucinogenic dreams
consider ABC and BOC credentials to be even similar, much less equal. The
requirements for certification in prosthetics or orthotics are as follows:
ABC BOC (taken
from Website)
Education BA or BS, Minimum No formal education
required,
all you need is one year
supervised work experience
Training NCOPE/CAAHEP Program Two years experience
providing specialized formal training patient
care, supervision not
required
Examination Rigorous exams testing the An exam based on job
analysis
applicant's knowledge of studies. This
means can you
anatomy, kinesiology, fabricate. BOC
brags of their
mechanical concepts, and high pass rate of
over 82%.
clinical evaluation and High pass rates
equate to low
application of principles. standards and
expectations.
How anyone can equate no education, no formal training, and an almost
guaranteed-pass lax exam to the ABC standard that is known throughout the
industry as rigorous is beyond me. You created our own organization not
because your credentials are equal but rather because they are inferior and
were not accepted by the prevailing standard, ABC. Your assertion of
equal is akin to saying I can afford the Caddy but I prefer the Yugo.
Your other fantasy, of being equal in Texas, is also foolish. If you were
licensed in Texas with only BOC credential it is due to grandfather
provisions, not because your credentials are equal to those of an ABC
practitioner. Current Texas law requires at MINIMUM an Associates Degree,
three years supervised experience, and an examination. This stop gap minimum
expires in 2005. After that point the requirements are similar to ABC's.
You may be licensed but you are not equal.
Your assertion that merely practicing for years makes you qualified is
specious. Without an education and formal training you can not assimilate
the rapidly changing technologies and are doomed to remained mired in the
pit of ignorance.
You imply the discussion of credentials has to do with commerce, it does
not. There being plenty work for both of us is immaterial to the goal of
protecting patient safety by defining and applying a standard considered the
minimum for competency. Years before BOC was formed, a group of concerned
practitioners and physicians studied the needs of the disabled and
ascertained what levels of education and training were required to achieve
the stated goals of protecting the patient. This had nothing to do with
competition between ABC and BOC, as BOC did not exist. They laid out the
minimums and recommended an education pathway for the profession to grow
into. We are now at the Baccalaureate stage. Unfortunately a group of
individuals chose not to follow the enlightened path of education and
training, rather these technicians and flat earth proponents banded
together under the BOC banner. Because you have no education or formal
training does not make that an enviable stan!
dard, and your desire to remain anchored to a group espousing this backward
philosophy is damnable. Positions such as yours and BOC's are allowing
other groups with an education but no training in prosthetics and orthotics
to compete and displace trained O&P practitioners in our politically
controlled third-party payor environment.
This is not a personal attack against you Ms. Marcel, but I could not stand
by and allow you to malign the hard work and sacrifice ABC credentialed
practitioners have made to ensure the patient's safety, their personal
betterment, and the improvement of the profession.
--
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:36:46
PAM MARCEL wrote:
>It's about time ABC accepted BOC, as equal. In Texas we are equal due to
>legislation. If you eliminate BOC you will not have enough ABC people to
go
>around. Second many of us have practiced for years and are just as
competent
>or more so that some ABC professionals. Many of the ABC professionals were
>grand fathered in and have no degree. Yet they are accepted as equal. We
>were forced to create our own organization when refused the same
opportunity
>from ABC.
>
>We both work for the same goal quality patient care. There is plenty of
>work for both of us.
>
>Pam Marcel
>
>_____________________________________________________________________________________
>Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :
<URL Redacted>
>
>
curiosity that drives him/her to educate themself about a particular
subject. A person also needs a desire to do a good job, regardless of
whether the work is big or small. I've seen ABC practitioners with about as
much drive as a snail in winter, and I've met BOC practitioners who really
want to learn and do a good job, but because of circumstances beyond their
control (family, financial, etc) they cannot take off in order to gain ABC
certificaion, but they can practice the profession that they love becaue of
BOC certification.
I'd choose to be treated by a BOC practitioner who really cares and wants to
learn over an ABC orthotist who is more concerned about credentials any day.
Credentials and certification are important, but they should not be O&P's
primary focus. O&Pers should be concentrating on treating every patient
that walks in like it was their grandfather or grandmother. Credentials
and certification can be very, very good or very, very bad.
Just my two cents on this debate.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Jerry Levitt < <Email Address Redacted> >
Reply-To: <Email Address Redacted>
To: <Email Address Redacted>
Subject: Re: [OANDP-L] Federal Legislation
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:48:10 -0500
Ms. Marcel
Your remarks are as vacuous as your apparent knowledge of Texas Law. If
you are a practitioner I certainly hope you are well supervised.
ABC should not, nor should anyone in their wildest hallucinogenic dreams
consider ABC and BOC credentials to be even similar, much less equal. The
requirements for certification in prosthetics or orthotics are as follows:
ABC BOC (taken
from Website)
Education BA or BS, Minimum No formal education
required,
all you need is one year
supervised work experience
Training NCOPE/CAAHEP Program Two years experience
providing specialized formal training patient
care, supervision not
required
Examination Rigorous exams testing the An exam based on job
analysis
applicant's knowledge of studies. This
means can you
anatomy, kinesiology, fabricate. BOC
brags of their
mechanical concepts, and high pass rate of
over 82%.
clinical evaluation and High pass rates
equate to low
application of principles. standards and
expectations.
How anyone can equate no education, no formal training, and an almost
guaranteed-pass lax exam to the ABC standard that is known throughout the
industry as rigorous is beyond me. You created our own organization not
because your credentials are equal but rather because they are inferior and
were not accepted by the prevailing standard, ABC. Your assertion of
equal is akin to saying I can afford the Caddy but I prefer the Yugo.
Your other fantasy, of being equal in Texas, is also foolish. If you were
licensed in Texas with only BOC credential it is due to grandfather
provisions, not because your credentials are equal to those of an ABC
practitioner. Current Texas law requires at MINIMUM an Associates Degree,
three years supervised experience, and an examination. This stop gap minimum
expires in 2005. After that point the requirements are similar to ABC's.
You may be licensed but you are not equal.
Your assertion that merely practicing for years makes you qualified is
specious. Without an education and formal training you can not assimilate
the rapidly changing technologies and are doomed to remained mired in the
pit of ignorance.
You imply the discussion of credentials has to do with commerce, it does
not. There being plenty work for both of us is immaterial to the goal of
protecting patient safety by defining and applying a standard considered the
minimum for competency. Years before BOC was formed, a group of concerned
practitioners and physicians studied the needs of the disabled and
ascertained what levels of education and training were required to achieve
the stated goals of protecting the patient. This had nothing to do with
competition between ABC and BOC, as BOC did not exist. They laid out the
minimums and recommended an education pathway for the profession to grow
into. We are now at the Baccalaureate stage. Unfortunately a group of
individuals chose not to follow the enlightened path of education and
training, rather these technicians and flat earth proponents banded
together under the BOC banner. Because you have no education or formal
training does not make that an enviable stan!
dard, and your desire to remain anchored to a group espousing this backward
philosophy is damnable. Positions such as yours and BOC's are allowing
other groups with an education but no training in prosthetics and orthotics
to compete and displace trained O&P practitioners in our politically
controlled third-party payor environment.
This is not a personal attack against you Ms. Marcel, but I could not stand
by and allow you to malign the hard work and sacrifice ABC credentialed
practitioners have made to ensure the patient's safety, their personal
betterment, and the improvement of the profession.
--
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:36:46
PAM MARCEL wrote:
>It's about time ABC accepted BOC, as equal. In Texas we are equal due to
>legislation. If you eliminate BOC you will not have enough ABC people to
go
>around. Second many of us have practiced for years and are just as
competent
>or more so that some ABC professionals. Many of the ABC professionals were
>grand fathered in and have no degree. Yet they are accepted as equal. We
>were forced to create our own organization when refused the same
opportunity
>from ABC.
>
>We both work for the same goal quality patient care. There is plenty of
>work for both of us.
>
>Pam Marcel
>
>_____________________________________________________________________________________
>Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :
<URL Redacted>
>
>
Citation
Karen Steele, “Re: Federal Legislation,” Digital Resource Foundation for Orthotics and Prosthetics, accessed November 5, 2024, https://library.drfop.org/items/show/215460.
